eW downlight ceiling trims may be used with either hard-lid or drop ceilings. Simply set regular ceiling box in place 2.25-inch/57mm above bottom of ceiling/tile, and sandwich trim between box and fixture base. Rimless trims are supplied with removable tabs, ready for use with either 1/2- or 5/8-inch ceilings. Cutout sizes for eW Down light Ceiling Trims always center ceiling box in trim cutout. Available in rimmed or rimless versions, these handy trims recess those surface mount downlights flush with any ceiling.